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glaurung_quena ([personal profile] glaurung) wrote2025-05-14 03:07 pm

Shitty scholars publish bad paper claiming english majors can't read well.

Someone brought "They Don’t Read Very Well: A Study of the Reading Comprehension Skills of English Majors at Two Midwestern Universities" by Susan Carlson, Ananda Jayawardhana, Diane Miniel (CEA Critic, Volume 86, Number 1, March 2024) to my attention today. a pdf of the paper is here

This is an appallingly badly designed study and a seriously flawed paper and the authors should be fucking ashamed of themselves. (Carlson is an English professor, Miniel was one when the research was conducted in the teens, and Jayawardhana is a statistician, all at Pittsburgh State U. Why they ventured all the way to Kansas to conduct their research is a mystery).

They interviewed 85 students majoring in English or English education (mostly juniors and seniors with some sophomores and four freshmen) at two Kansas universities. Each participant took a reading test designed to determine 10th grade literacy, filled out a survey, and then were asked to spend 20 minutes reading the opening seven paragraphs of Dickens' Bleak House aloud, pausing to explain the meaning of each sentence as they went along. They were given dictionaries and allowed to look things up in those or on their phones. They were told that it didn't matter if they did not finish going through the passage before time was up. (I'll put the opening paragraphs they used in the first comment below so you don't have to google it on project Gutenberg)

The authors recorded the students reading aloud and explaining the passage to an interviewer, transcribed those recordings, and then tagged and analyzed the transcripts. Their conclusions were that only five percent of the students were able to properly understand the dickens passage ("proficient readers") another 38 percent understood about half the passage ("competent readers"), and 58 percent struggled to understand the passage ("problematic readers"). "Problematic readers often described their reading process as skimming and/or relying on SparkNotes" (page 6).

They conclude that most of the people majoring in English do not have the reading skills necessary for such a major and do not gain those reading skills from their first and second year classes.

This paper has two huge and one large problems.

1. I am probably in or near their top 5% of readers, and I would have struggled and been incredibly frustrated if someone asked me to read the beginning of a Dickens novel one sentence at a time, explaining each sentence as I go along. That's not how novels are intended to work, especially densely written 19th century novels. Reading a whole paragraph, or the whole passage, then going back and working through it bit by bit, sure. But expecting to extract meaning from each sentence in isolation without knowing what's coming in the next sentence -- no fucking way. Fictional prose is intended to *flow*, you can't ask someone to chop it up into bits based on the punctuation and expect those bits to make sense without the context of what comes next.

2. They assigned 21st century American students a passage from a mid 19th century British novel, thereby turning it from a test of whether or not they could read and understand a chunk of complex literary prose, into a test of that *plus* whether or not they had adequate working knowledge of an archaic and foreign prose style, culture, vocabulary, and setting. OF COURSE the students struggled and did poorly in figuring out the meaning of "Michaelmas term," "the Lord Chancellor," and "Lincoln’s Inn Hall" in just the first sentence. Not because they're poor readers, but because they're not 19th century Londoners.

If the researchers had been serious about trying to gauge the students' reading ability without confounding their results with the student's poor familiarity with 170 year old prose style, setting, and culture, they could have assigned them a dense passage from a 20th or 21st century American literary novel. But they didn't. This is the worst kind of bigoted, classist, prior knowledge based intelligence testing. Shame on the authors, and shame on the journal for publishing this crap.

The not so huge but still large problem:
3. Forty-one percent of the study's participants were "English education" majors, not traditional English majors. Even if both majors are taught by the English department, they are very different beasts with very different course requirements that attract very different types of student. One is a major for people who wish to become primary and secondary school teachers of English (aka grammar, literacy, writing, and maybe also age-appropriate novels), the other is for people who enjoy reading and analyzing literature. The authors do not say anything about how the two majors differed in their ability to understand the opening of Bleak House, an omission that makes me raise my eyebrows very high.

In sum: Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do research, write poorly conceived papers on how their students are bad at reading.

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That said, I am unsurprised that significant numbers of students struggled with the passage. Even aside from the design flaws which artificially lowered the scores of the students in the study, some people who aren't actually interested in reading and thinking about novels get a degree in English as a job credential (like those education majors who were included in the study, who may only be in the English department because it's a path to getting a teaching certificate that doesn't involve math).

And it is a sad fact that secondary schools turn out tons of students each year who have never really learned to read well, some of them with high GPAs. Now that a 4 year degree is required for many jobs that used to be open to high school graduates, they end up taking classes they're not really equipped for.

Which reminds me of something my sister said about her year teaching English at a magnet school in Austin Texas. She was one of the only teachers who stocked her classroom with age appropriate books and encouraged her students to pick out and read ones that appealed to them. The administration and most of the rest of the teachers regarded this sort of thing as a bad idea, because students reading books for fun were not spending time honing the skills needed for doing well on the next standardized test.

To the extent that it's a real problem, and not one manufactured to produce a shocking academic article, it's multi generational at this point. Those who don't read books themselves, have become school teachers and are teaching children to read but not to be able to read very well. Those children grow up, go to college, and frustrate their professors with their lack of reading skills.
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[personal profile] armiphlage 2025-05-14 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The implicit cultural bias means anyone not knowing it was set in England would of course get it wrong. "Implacable November weather" could mean unrelenting sunshine. "As if the waters had but newly retired" might mean freshly washed, to someone not raised with the specific religious background to interpret it as the aftermath of a flood.
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[personal profile] conuly 2025-05-15 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Which reminds me of something my sister said about her year teaching English at a magnet school in Austin Texas. She was one of the only teachers who stocked her classroom with age appropriate books and encouraged her students to pick out and read ones that appealed to them. The administration and most of the rest of the teachers regarded this sort of thing as a bad idea, because students reading books for fun were not spending time honing the skills needed for doing well on the next standardized test.

An Anecdote from my uncle's childhood (he was born in 1956):

One day, his teacher shocked the class by asking them who they thought had done best on the citywide reading assessment, better than the rest of the school, head and shoulders among almost all kids their age. The answer was my uncle. And why? "Because he reads all the time!"

His classmates could not believe it. He read all the time, sure - but he read comic books, how could that help?
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[personal profile] green_knight 2025-05-17 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I consider myself a pretty well-schooled reader: my mum was a lit critter, so I've soaked this up from childhood; I've been a copy editor for nearly nearly twenty years or so; I'm a writer, I pay attention to words and can say what the function of sentences is in a longer text. I would have done badly on this test because I would have been vastly overthinking: they must want to hear something profound, and much of the analysis is pedestrian. I mean, how much can you say about the immortal prose of 'London'? (I only analysed the first paragraph).

I had to look up:
– Michaelmas Term (modern day: ends in December; I was off thinking it would be in the new year. I forget how short three terms are, but at least I know it (used to live in Oxford)
– Lincoln's Inn Hall and the Lord Chancellor. I'm not sure whether the Old Hall was 'the hall' before the current one was opened in 1845. Contemporaries would know whether this is a marker of time as well as place. Anyway, Lincoln's Inn is in London proper.
– Megalosaurus. This was named in 1824, and I wonder how many people would be familiar with this. It marks the intended readership as somewhat educated. (The first part of Bleak House was published before the Crystal Palace Dinosaurs made it famous in 1854.)
– Holborn Hill. This is close to Lincoln's Inn. Going by the StreetView, it's a moderate rise, not a steep hill. His readers might or might not know.
– history of umbrellas as protection from rain. (First recorded usage, 1708, referring to women. Not really coming into their own in Britain until the 1780s; all the rage in Paris much sooner.) A marker of people without their own carriages; and I have a feeling that 'foot passengers' echoes that. Would have to be more familiar with the literature of the time to know what people walking in an urban environment are usually referred to.

To sum up the paragraph: Dickens sets the scene with a mixture of sentence fragments/short sentences and long, elaborate, winding ones: We're in London, in November, it rains, and things are bleak (mud, soot, people going splat.) He even leads with the Court, though that's a sleight of hand you only appreciate in the last two paragraphs of this excerpt; until then it was just a bit of flavour.

Skimming through the rest, Dickens is still setting the scene right until the end; he starts with very broad strokes (indistinguishable dogs, working horses in blinkers), and paints a bleak picture right from the start mostly using the weather/atmospherics.
The gas lights are another thing I had to look up just to see when they had their heyday. by the time this book was written, they were pretty well established, at least in London, and the point was made that this would have boosted literacy because people could spend more time reading!

He's also spending enough time on the Court; and giving specific details about people there that I'm expected much of the next chapter at least to be set there and dealing with a specific case. (I haven't read Bleak House at all.)

Overall, it feels quite wordy. Leaving aside the fact that Dickens was paid by the word, which encourages wordiness, there's not actually much to trim on sentence level; each little gem of description adds to a very rich overall picture, and while you could cut some, you'd leave the text poorer. There's a lot of poetry in the descriptions, and it feels like something that ought to be read aloud.

Many of the details might have gone over the intended readership's heads, but that's ok, because there are enough details, and what you're missing is likely to be 'some of the richness' rather than 'crucial information needed to understand the book'; and most readers will have recognised *some* of them, just different parts. One might know Holborn Hill, the next the almshouses in Greenwich.

I've come away with a greater appreciation of Dickens than before; much of this opening feels intentional rather than filler, so thank you for that.

What someone who is not familiar with London, with 19th century literature, and without a good historical grounding makes of this I don't know. 'What is this sentence doing' can be a trap because it draws attention away from the overall text: how there isn't a specific narrator, and how we gradually creep from generic Londonness to a specific moment in time.

Given what he did with the Lord Chancellor, I wonder whether some of the details in this introduction might reappear later, but overall, there's too much to keep track of.
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[personal profile] green_knight 2025-05-17 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I probably have a higher tolerance for not understanding individual words and just reading on than many; and I find that it seems to be reluctant or unpracticed readers who look things up the most. I started reading long-form noves in English at a time where yes, we spoke a little English at home, I occasionally watched a film or TV episode, and I'd read children's books and horsey magazines, but when I first started reading novels, my fluency in English was slightly lagging behind my German vocabulary, so I encountered a lot of unknown words at first. If I'd stopped at every one, I would never have finished the stories.

Then again, I've grown up on Karl May, who'll throw obscure phrases in eight different languages he didn't speak at you, along with the cultural details, and if you're not willing to just keep reading knowing that there'll be stuff you won't understand, again, you'll be stuck on page thirty and never get to the rest of the adventure.

I love how the Lord Chancellor looks like any of the other random flavour details in paragraph 1, and then we read the end of the excerpt, and we know why he was in it in the first place, or how even the question of 'when is the end of Michaelmas term' is answered. Sentence-by-sentence reading REALLY does not work here.

Those students were set up to fail, which makes me angry.


I hadn't made the connection between telegraphs and a shortened style; but it makes sense. I wonder how much newspapers as a whole contributed. And yet my biggest surprise of this year was to actually look at Hemingway (not just his reputation): He's using very short sentences and very plain words. (If you'd given me the dogs/horses segment and asked me who wrote it, Dickens would not have been high on my list, and the only reason I would not have said 'Hemingway' is that Hemingway wrote about cars, not horses.) But it turns out that you can be poetic with plain language,, too; it's all about the rhythm.
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[personal profile] evil_macaroni 2025-05-19 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I wish my son had a teacher like your sister was. My son used to be an avid reader, but is drowning in his English classes because they are forcing him to read the literary equivalent of boiled kale. He will happily read fantasy or sci-fi (current favorites: Murderbot and Naomi Novik's Scholomance series), but doesn't engage with Great Literature (TM). He tests pretty well in standardized tests, because he doesn't have the same hang-ups about short passages.